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Colt M1903 Pocket Pistol in caliber .32 ACP. Came to me without finish. It's been lightly engraved and blued. Ready for sighting in and making a holster.

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OldManMontgomery

Bob, 'pea shooter'? You do understand the era of the Grande Puissance (High Power) which derived from the round count rather than the power of the fired cartridge was popular in the same general period in which the 7.65mm Browning was adopted as a military and police weapon?

Do you also understand the 9x19 cartridge is much liked and popular with those who cannot handle recoil of a real sidearm AND rely on high round count (many wild shots) rather than studied accuracy?

You probably missed my comment prior about usually carrying a Colt Commander in .45 ACP. My comment about the pistol "...James Bond should have had..." was directed more at Ian Fleming and Geoffrey Boothroyd than a person who carries for self-defense.

It is YOU who are talking about a peashooter. Frankly I think a properly loaded .38 Special revolver has better stopping power. More than that, it's the user, not the tool making the difference.

OldManMontgomery

Cove: "Bite?"
I've been bit by - let's see - various variants of the M1911 design pistols (including M1911A1, commercial Colt Government Models, commercial Colt Commanders (lightweight) models, the Springfield copy; several Beretta pistols, including the 1935 model and one borrowed M92-(something or other), the Savage pistols (both 1907 and 1917 version) and a Mauser HSc. The Model M, being 'hammerless' (to the eye, there is a hammer concealed in the slide) cannot 'bite'.

I collect 7.65mm caliber auto-pistols from the Art Deco period. The Model M is my hands down favorite.

My greetings to your lady wife. I have a niece with MS and my late brother had it, until he died from complications from pneumonia. I shall be praying for her and you both.

You are talking about a pea shooter try a real weapon like the Browning 9mm.

Monty you have it right. The Colt shoots so much better. My wife has MS and can shoot the Colt and cycle the slide without assistance. The PPK is much harder to operate and bites if you have meaty hands.

boston_jack

..............oh and to OldManMontgomery..........yes indeed, it weighed in at 29 lbs (13.15 kilos) grant you, it was not for carrying over ones shoulder..............I used a ½ ton pick-up.......it could carry much more than just a rifle......I also hauled (6) 8'' sand bags (never took the time to weigh those bags)..........oh, and add the weight of a 16¾'' long Tasco 6X12 power scope...?.........now parked on the top of a hill at early dawn half hour before the sun shows up.....sand bags placed on the hood, the 22-250 nicely settled on the bags and waiting.............light breaks and voila..!.........meat on legs standing by............300 to 400 yards................yes, one bang and we're done...........
.................a friend of mine machined it (222 chambered up to 22-250)........and yes it was and is heavy.......like very heavy..........this was 40 years ago........quit hunting in 1996 and sold everything.....and the 22-250 was bought by my friend's son (my friend passed away some ten years now)...........he always wanted it and last time I saw him.....he told me that it was as is and displayed on the wall in the family room............he himself never hunted nor does he own any rifles except my old 29 lbs 22-250.....................

boston_jack

...........well I'm glad mr. viper understands the 007 genre and the reputation that is associated with this kind of secret agent.............let's not forget, guys, Bond's women........and for the benefit of all things hard (gun barrels of course)........here are all 75 of them.......
1962 Dr. No: Honey Ryder-Ursula Andress
1962 Dr. No: Sylvia Trench-Eunice Gayson
1963 From Russia With Love: Sylvia Trench-Eunice Gayson
1962 Dr. No: Miss Taro-Zena Marshall
1963 From Russia With Love: Tatiana Romanova-Daniela Bianchi
1963 From Russia With Love: Zora-Martine Beswick
1963 From Russia With Love: Vida-Aliza Gur
1964 Goldfinger: Pussy Galore-Honor Blackman
1964 Goldfinger: Jill Masterson-Shirley Eaton
1964 Goldfinger: Tilly Masterson-Tania Mallet
1964 Goldfinger: Bonita-Nadja Regin
1964 Goldfinger: Dink-Margaret Nolan
1965 Thunderball: Domino Derval-Claudine Auger
1965 Thunderball: Paula Caplan-Martine Beswick
1965 Thunderball: Fiona Volpe-Luciana Paluzzi
1965 Thunderball: Patricia Fearing-Molly Peters
1965 Thunderball: Mademoiselle La Porte-Maryse Guy Mitsouko
1967 You Only Live Twice: Kissy Suzuki-Mie Hama
1967 You Only Live Twice: Aki-Akiko Wakabayashi
1967 You Only Live Twice: Ling-Tsai Chin
1967 You Only Live Twice: Helga Brandt-Karin Dor
1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Service: Teresa di Vicenzo-Diana Rigg
1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Service: Ruby Bartlett-Angela Scoular
1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Service: Nancy-Catherine Schell
1971 Diamonds Are Forever: Tiffany Case-Jill St. John
1971 Diamonds Are Forever: Plenty O'Toole-Lana Wood
1971 Diamonds Are Forever: Bambi-Lola Larson
1971 Diamonds Are Forever: Thumper-Trina Parks
1971 Diamonds Are Forever: Marie-Denise Perrier
1973 Live and Let Die: Solitaire-Jane Seymour
1973 Live and Let Die: Rosie Carver-Gloria Hendry
1973 Live and Let Die: Miss Caruso-Madeline Smith
1974 The Man with the Golden Gun: Mary Goodnight-Britt Ekland
1974 The Man with the Golden Gun: Andrea Anders-Maud Adams
1974 The Man with the Golden Gun: Saida-Carmen du Sautoy
1974 The Man with the Golden Gun: Chew Mee-Francoise Therry
1977 The Spy Who Loved Me: Anya Amasova-Barbara Bach
1977 The Spy Who Loved Me: Log Cabin Girl-Sue Vanner
1977 The Spy Who Loved Me: Naomi-Caroline Munro
1977 The Spy Who Loved Me: Felicca-Olga Bisera
1979 Moonraker: Holly Goodhead-Lois Chiles
1979 Moonraker: Corinne Dufour-Corinne Cléry
1979 Moonraker: Manuela-Emily Bolton
1979 Moonraker: Private Jet Hostess-Leila Shenna
1981 For Your Eyes Only: Melina Havelock-Carole Bouquet
1981 For Your Eyes Only: Bibi Dahl-Lynn-Holly Johnson
1981 For Your Eyes Only: Countess Lisl von Schlaf-Cassandra Harris
1983 Octopussy: Octopussy-Maud Adams
1983 Octopussy: Magda-Kristina Wayborn
1983 Octopussy: Bianca-Tina Hudson
1985 A View To a Kill: Stacey Sutton-Tanya Roberts
1985 A View To a Kill: May Day-Grace Jones
1985 A View To a Kill: Kimberley Jones-Mary Stövin
1985 A View To a Kill: Pola Ivanova-Fiona Fullerton
1987 The Living Daylights: Kara Milovy-Maryam d'Abo
1987 The Living Daylights: Linda-Kell Tyler
1989 Licence to Kill: Pam Bouvier-Carey Lowell
1989 Licence to Kill: Lupe Lamora-Talisa Soto
1995 Goldeneye: Natalya Simonova-Izabella Scorupco
1995 Goldeneye: Xenia Onatopp-Famke Janssen
1995 Goldeneye: Caroline-Serena Gordon
1997 Tomorrow Never Dies: Wai Lin-Michelle Yeoh
1997 Tomorrow Never Dies: Paris Carver-Teri Hatcher
1997 Tomorrow Never Dies: Professor Inga Bergstrom-Cecilie Thomsen
1999 The World is Not Enough: Dr. Christmas Jones-Denise Richards
1999 The World is Not Enough: Elektra King-Sophie Marceau
1999 The World is Not Enough: Dr. Molly Warmflash-Serena Scott Thomas
2002 Die Another Day: Jinx-Halle Berry
2002 Die Another Day: Miranda Frost-Rosamund Pike
2002 Die Another Day: Peaceful Fountains of Desire-Rachel Grant
2006 Casino Royale: Vesper Lynd-Eva Green
2006 Casino Royale: Solange Dimitrios-Catherina Murino
2008 Quantum of Solace: Camille Montes-Olga Kurylenko
2008 Quantum of Solace: Strawberry Fields-Gemma Arterton
2012 Skyfall: Sévérine-Bérénice Marlohe
2012 Skyfall: Bond's Lover-Tonia Sotiropoulou

.................man oh man, I've got to find something to do with my time..........:-)

OldManMontgomery

Viper, the Model M is narrower than the PPk. For the record, I have carried a Colt (lightweight) Commander while wearing a dinner jacket and trousers. The Model M is metaphorically downhill from there.

And yes; accuracy and shot placement will indeed make up considerably for 'power'. Something I've touted for years.

OldManMontgomery

Ah, Jack. That makes a bit more sense to me. What works in the movies? Well, voicing an opinion in opposition to mine is certainly fair game. I just expect a bit more reasoning and logic involved.

A question. (Compound question.) Why in the name of little green apples do you want/need a 29 pound rifle chambered for .22-250 (I'm not familiar with a 222-250), in order to shoot a 'really bad dude' big game animal at 600 to 800 yards? (I'm not even going to start on the "...Nosler ballistic silvertip..." bullet.)

The .22-250 rifle I have is but a humble Remington, but it does shoot rather tightly. I don't have a range stretching to 600 yards.

viper928

and lets not forget this pistol has to be hidden beneath a tight fitting tuxedo where the ppk has the advantage. and of course 007 can hit the eye out of a rattlesnake at 100 yards so he doesn't need stopping power LOL

boston_jack

............I'm no expert on the subject of small arms...............(can't see any use for them).........
............my comment was in regard to the title of your post..........I remembered that this very question came up early in the James Bond movie franchise in the early 60's..........so did a quick search on the question thus, my comment..........I, personally, couldn't care less what he (007) used (and just about every gadget seen and used in these films).......it is just simple fantasies for the purpose of entertainment (and making money, of course).............
...........so again, my comment was for your quote ''The pistol James Bond should have had''.....and (Personal Defense World.com) was addressing the very same subject.................
..........now outside the realm of movie making, I would prefer a good distance (say 600 to 800 yards) from some big game animal (read bad dude) and my custom made 29 lbs, mauser bolt action, single shot 222-250 and a case of Nosler ballistic silvertip 55 Grs bullet with a cartridge load of 38.0 grs of IMR 4320.................oh, bring your Colt.......lots of black flies around.......!

OldManMontgomery

Rather simple, Jack. The 1903 is a better pistol.

The PPk is in fact more popular. It has been promoted both commercially AND is known from Ian Fleming's books. It is also smaller - harder to grip and control - the trigger pull is considerably worse, and it costs more.

The Colt 1903 was made from 1903 until the early 1940s. Discontinued due to the war effort and the rather antiquated machinery used at the Colt factory.

The PPk was purchased and issued by the German Army (both before and during the NAZI era) and the federal German police.

From the sound of your question, you seem to be confusing 'popularity' with 'effectiveness'.

From the Personal Defense website, see the article on the Colt 1908 (essentially same pistol) and update. The quote you cite seems to be directed at use in the James Bond movies, not reality.

Nor do many serious shooters agree with your thesis. Shooters and experienced defensive carriers tend to prefer the Colt (actually John Browning) designed 1903.

So. Go ahead with the PPK. I prefer effectiveness to 'popularity' based on somewhat lacking opinion.

boston_jack

..............now, considering the PPK is still made after 87 years and the Colt M1903 was last made in 1945 (72 years ago)......................why would 007 have wanted a Colt...................?
.................007 first used a Beretta 418 and switched to the PPK in Dr. No (I believe)..........
................. I've just read, according to (Personal Defense World.com) ''After half a century, we should have learned that nothing can replace 007’s original PPK.''..................
......................now the question, again:....why....?

OldManMontgomery

Probably more a hip pocket type. Rather small pistol for a shoulder rig, the straps and all out weigh the pistol. Not chamois, either.

treker

Shoulder holster I would suspect. ;-)