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julie88

Thank you JRo

JRo

I agree julie88.

julie88

A Great President.

DelaneyP

Now that I've been reading end-of-a-presidency summations, I realize just how much he's accomplished, more than I remembered by far. And he always did what he did with elegance and grace and style, calmly and with a firm grasp on the arguments for and against, rather than combatively and with a take-it-or-leave-it, "I say it's right and what I say goes" arrogance. I will really miss him!

suemarie

Peace.....

ravrany

I just don't want to fight with you anymore. We have different views on this election and no conversation is going to change the way we feel. I enjoy your puzzles, your comments and your sweet little baby Louie. Hope you have a nice weekend!!

suemarie

Oooh, good excuse--can I use it next time you think that I'M talking around a question instead of actually answering it?!!! LOL!

ravrany

I don't have anymore time for all of your nonsense. I have to work today so I can fund some more bribes for the demos.

suemarie

OH, my......

Sorry, it took me a while to recover from that diatribe.
I notice that you didn't address my comments about Trump's prowess as a businessman--any reason why you didn't? Because everything I wrote is the truth, all there on the record?! :-)))

suemarie

Yes, let's have a businessman who had to declare bankruptcy 4 times, which didn't hurt HIS finances, but which destroyed any number of small businesses and distributors and contractors, blue collar workers, small investors, and so on, who weren't paid for their products or work or construction activity, and weren't paid back the money that they invested. Yeah, he really does know what to do with money--make sure that he's never the one to lose any, even when its his ineptitude that caused the problems. Just what we want in our president.....

Right, let's stop blaming Bush for lying about WMD and getting us into an unnecessary war that cost us the lives of over 5,000 servicemen and women, and which destabilized the Mideast, helping both Al Queda and ISIS. Obama spent so much money? It costs a fortune to dig us out of the mess Bush buried us in.
Time to stop with your modern version of the Welfare Queen. It has been shown, both back when that phrase first appeared, and now when when you're inventing a new derogatory phrase, perhaps the iPhone Freebie Phony, that the number of people taking unfair advantage of the system is minuscule, especially in comparison to the number of people who need help but are denied any, or given far less than they need to even reach a poverty level income. It's just like the fake voter registration issue--study after study has shown that voter fraud is the tiniest fraction of a percent of the votes cast, but denying eligible people a chance to register or vote through a deliberate campaign to make the hours for registration and voting shorter, the days fewer, the credentials required more difficult to obtain, and so on--it's a phony issue that's being used to keep Blacks and poor people and legal immigrants from exercising their right to vote.

suemarie

But on the other puzzle (the one of Trump and Clinton), you suggest letting him have an extra year while we look for two other candidates......

deadringer222

i think he promised change and transparency.... BS

gingyjaye

THE INDIVIDUAL IN THIS PHOTO DID NOT CAUSE ALL THIS. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER. HE GOT VERY LITTLE DONE COMPLIMENTS OF A CONGRESS THAT SAID NO TO EVERYTHING EVEN THE JOBS ACT. AND TRUMP THINKS THE MINIMUM WAGES AND WAGES IN GENERAL ARE TOO HIGH. THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CAUSED THE DEBT TO SOAR IS GWB. AND CLINTON'S SURPLUS WAS WASTED ON A SHAM WAR. AS WELL AS AMERICAN LIVES, IRAQ LIVES, AND THE MESS WE MADE IN IRAQ. I SAY WE BUT IT REALLY WAS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

ANYWAY, OBAMA IS GOING SO I FORGE AHEAD AND REALLY WANT BERNIE TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.

The number of companies who have moved "off shore" or "out sourced" is 216 according to a article posted by CNN, one of your favorite liberal rags.

@gingyjaye, OK, are you aware of what is happening in the USA as we speak with individuals (well off and wealthy), corporations, etc.?
They are fleeing the country and taking the jobs with them, are they not, all because of taxes? What are people and corporations doing in California, they are fleeing the state and moving to Texas and other countries to flee taxes? Yes they are. Do you know what is happening to our country caused mostly by the individual in this photo with his constant tax increases and legislation which is smothering small business and corporations.

gingyjaye

I THINK THAT IF BERNIE IS ELECTED, HE WILL TAKE A LOT OF PROGRESSIVES WITH HIM. THE ELECTION IS GETTING INTERESTING NOW WITH THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY BEING IN THE MIX. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY INTERESTING YEAR POLITICALLY!!!

suemarie

I'm willing to believe that Bernie is telling the truth about what he wants to do, but, as you yourself point out, he would need a progressive congress to do it, and he almost assuredly will not have that. So his platform is based on a wish, and not on reality.
Anyone running for office, in any country, can promise a chicken in every pot, two cars in every garage, universal health care coverage, and world peace. But can they deliver? You have to elect someone, of whichever party, who can actually make good on their promises, or you're just wasting your vote.

gingyjaye

BERNIE IS GOING TO PUT A TAX ON WALL STREET FOR EACH TRANSACTION. AND EVERYONE WILL BE TAXED A LITTLE MORE. BUT THE COST OF HEALTHCARE WILL BE NOTHING. IN THE END YOU WILL SAVE. THE ULTRA RICH ARE GOING TO BE TAXED A LOT. BUT HE DOES NEED A PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS OR HE CAN'T GET THIS DONE. MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL HIS DESIRES IS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING AND THE ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE AT THE TIPPING POINT NOW AND SICNE THE LATE '80'S, IF WE DON'T ALL WORK TO STOP IT IT WILL PASS THAT POINT AND THERE IS NO RETURN. TRUMP WANTS TO GET RID OF THE EPA THAT IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF ALL.

TRUMP WANTS TO GET RID OF 11 MILLION ILLEGALS. HOW? AND THE WALL SHOULD COST ABOUT 60 BILLION HOW WILL HE PAY FOR THAT?

I DON'T LIKE HILLARY PERIID.

FERMONS

Now coming elections in the US , which should concern us is to put as president , fair to all , not only for a minority righteous person , we must learn from past mistakes , I do not want a country that bases its power in its belica force and hence exercise unrighteous dominion over others.
We can debate as like for the events of the past, but the concern is the present and future we want for this world , I want a free world, a world where the eyes can see each other as equals, with opportunities fairly.
Everything else here said are words, just by putting CONCERNED leaders in our countries.

@gingyjaye, OK, thats fair, lets have a fair and open discussion about Bernie. Tell me how is he going to pay for everything he is promising his supporters, one being you. You go first and we will go from there. And my question is a fair and honest one and I am not trying to be annoying. I await your answer. PS: I like him as a person, but........................

gingyjaye

HAD ENOUGH HISTORY. LETS GET TO THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE IS BERNIE SANDERS.

16 hours after Hiroshima was bombed Truman called on Japan to surrender, they refused. Nagasaki was bombed 3 days later on August 9th, and it took the Japanese till August 15 (6 days later) to surrender. They, not the USA, brought on the second bomb, period.

gingyjaye

BERNIE WANTS PEACE ON EARTH. LETS DONATE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. HE IS THE ONLY WORTHWHILE CANDIDATE.

DelaneyP

I said that I had no problems with the first bomb in Hiroshima, if you read my comments. I agree/agreed with what you just said. I was just questioning the necessity of the second bomb in Nagasaki, at least its timing just three days after the first bomb. But even that bomb, as I also wrote, could be justified as well. I certainly agree with you that the lesson we learned in Iwo Jima was vital to our decision-making!

Delaney, I think dropping the bomb had to do with Iwo Jima. The Japanese fought to practically the last man there and the US was looking at maybe having to invade Japan at that point. After seeing what happened to our troops on Iwo Jima, no one wanted to have that scenario repeated in Japan, hence the bomb. I'm probably as liberal as you can get on some things, and even I have to agree dropping the bomb was the right thing to do at the time, considering all other options that were available. Dropping the bomb was the alternative to an invasion of Japan and saved a lot of our troops' lives and the lives of Japanese troops as well.

gingyjaye

AND LETS REMEMBER BERNIE SANDERS IS A DOVE. HE WANTS WAR ONLY AS A LAST RESORT.

....and lets not forget the atrocities committed at the Baatan death march and how many allies soldiers and navy personnel were tortured in POW camps. I just do not think the Japanese deserved any mercy for the things they committed during the war, a war started by them.

gingyjaye

FEEL THE BERN!

DelaneyP

"Still, every act of aggression between nations, every act of terror and corruption and cruelty and oppression that we see around the world, shows our work is never done. We may not be able to eliminate man's capacity to do evil. So nations and the alliances that we form must possess the means to defend ourselves. But among those nations like my own that hold nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them."

This is from the text of his speech, and it's the only time that the word "evil" appears, unless I'm missing it. So I can't agree even with the statement that he called nuclear weapons "evil", actually. If someone wants to infer it from the speech, I can only say that he/she should infer (because Obama was clearly stating [not just implying] that war, and terrorism, and the use of ALL the weapons mankind has invented over the centuries, is evil) that nuclear weapons are just one more evil in a long litany of atrocities we commit against our fellow men.

DelaneyP

Having just finished reading more about Nagasaki, I'm still not sure we needed to bomb it--at least not when we did. We only gave them 3 days--August 6th was Hiroshima, August 9th was Nagasaki--and we certainly didn't have to start an invasion/assault in that brief window. But, there are also arguments that we would have ended up destroying the city (and many others as well) eventually, through conventional bombing, anyway. So doing one city all at once, which did bring about surrender, without conventional bombs destroying even more cities, saved lives on both sides. So I can see that side of the argument now as well.

After tons of research I have determined that this man did not call the USA evil for dropping bombs on Japan, but rather called nucular weapons evil. A democrat would say he did nothing wrong, a republican would say he "inferred" the bombing was evil. Is this fair?

Yes, I was correct, immediately after Hiroshima was bombed Truman asked them to surrender and they said "NO", they were hoping to sign a treaty of sorts with Russia more favorable to them than the "unconditional surrender" Truman demanded. So based on that it appears that Nagasaki would not had been bombed had they surrendered. All of this is on Wikipedia.

I am not a historian by any means, but the USA did ask, according to many articles on the internet, to surrender both before Hiroshima, and after and they refused. I could be wrong on this, maybe you want to verify.

DelaneyP

As I said, so do I! I'm not one of those who would have preferred that we lose thousands of our own soldiers and sailors and pilots instead, although I do tend to think that Hiroshima would have been enough, without also bombing Nagasaki.

The "quote" in the Bannon article is not actually a quote, although he misleadingly puts quotation marks around it. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I thought that maybe there was a second speech, but the other parts he quotes are all from the speech I copied here, so it's the same speech. And that text does NOT include the one Bannon "quotes". It just isn't true that Obama called it evil. It's one thing for Bannon to feel that that is what Obama was thinking, but another thing entirely to put words in his mouth and claim that he spoke them.

As I said, I don't like defeating the opposition by using unfair tactics--the truth should be enough without manufacturing "facts" that will only hurt us when they're exposed!

There are many articles all over the internet that state how many american lives were saved by dropping the bomb twice on them. It was our troops or their civilians, I think the right call was made.

DelaneyP

Thank you for the offer. But in the article you want to send, is there a direct quote from Obama? Or is it someone's interpretation of what he said? I posted the text of the entire speech, and he doesn't call our actions evil. So I have to ask where you saw him use that word.

When you tell me to google Steven K. Bannon, which I'm now going to do, you're quoting Bannon when you talk about Obama apologizing. Nowhere in his speech does Obama apologize, either, no "We should not have dropped the bomb." No "We were wrong to do it." No "I'm sorry we did it." He regrets that it was necessary, not that it happened. (Most people, however they vote, wish we hadn't had to drop the bomb and kill thousands of civilians, and that we could have ended the war just as quickly with less loss of life, but we couldn't. And of course we surely wish Japan hadn't started it in the first place! They're the ones responsible in the final analysis.) So you can see, I hope, why I want a direct quote from Obama, because otherwise I'm just reading other people's interpretations of what he said, not what he actually said.

Try this www.youngcons.com/president-obama-speaks-at-hiroshima-calls-dropping-the-bomb-evil/

@DelaneyP: Here is my email address: e.hanchey@tx.rr.com
Send me an email and I will forward the article to you. This is the only way I know how to do it, because I do not know how to post articles on here because I tried it once and did not happen.

DelaneyP

Hancheye, I didn't see your comment when I posted mine; we must have crossed.
Did you find the reference to evil in the speech? I didn't.
Googling someone else, other than the person (Obama) whom you say you're quoting, won't prove that Obama said what you claim he did. If you can find a direct quote from him, then I'll be glad to read that.

DelaneyP

I'm a registered conservative, but I won't vote for Trump. And I quoted Obama at such length only because hancheye made the claim that Obama had said that what the US did in Japan was evil, and I couldn't find that anywhere in his speech. I want the record to be straight, even if--actually, especially if--we're discussing an opponent. If we say things that aren't true, just to slam the opposition, we lose the trust of the voters in the long run.

Please google "Steven K. Bannon to Obama: Why don't you go to Pearl Harbor and apologize to the dead still buried there." So sad that this POS is on another one of his apology tours on OUR Memorial day. Better yet, while he is graveling at the feet of the Japanese leaders, he should ask them to now come over to Pearl Harbor and apologize to the men still buried at the bottom of that harbor in the US Alabama. I would image I will choke to death waiting on this person to act like a man.

gingyjaye

DELANEYP, I CAN'T READ THIS BUT HAVE FUN

DelaneyP

I looked on the Internet under both Allen West and young/conservative, but couldn't find any quotes about Obama's speech, so I googled the speech itself. I've posted the entire speech, just as he gave it--sorry it's in two sections, but it ran two pages and I couldn't copy both together. I don't see where "he called the US evil" anywhere in the speech. I thought the speech was balanced between an acknowledgement of the sometimes necessary horror of war, and a hope that mankind can learn to avoid those horrors in the future.

DelaneyP

We stand here in the middle of this city and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. We force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they see. We listen to a silent cry. We remember all the innocents killed across the arc of that terrible war, and the wars that came before, and the wars that would follow.

Mere words cannot give voice to such suffering, but we have a shared responsibility to look directly into the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again.

Someday the voices of the hibakusha will no longer be with us to bear witness. But the memory of the morning of Aug. 6, 1945, must never fade. That memory allows us to fight complacency. It fuels our moral imagination. It allows us to change. And since that fateful day, we have made choices that give us hope. The United States and Japan forged not only an alliance but a friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim through war.

The nations of Europe built a union that replaced battlefields with bonds of commerce and democracy. Oppressed peoples and nations won liberation. An international community established institutions and treaties that worked to avoid war and aspired to restrict and roll back and ultimately eliminate the existence of nuclear weapons.

Still, every act of aggression between nations, every act of terror and corruption and cruelty and oppression that we see around the world, shows our work is never done. We may not be able to eliminate man's capacity to do evil. So nations and the alliances that we form must possess the means to defend ourselves. But among those nations like my own that hold nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them.

We may not realize this goal in my lifetime, but persistent effort can roll back the possibility of catastrophe. We can chart a course that leads to the destruction of these stockpiles. We can stop the spread to new nations and secure deadly material from fanatics.

And yet, that is not enough. For we see around the world today how even the crudest rifles and barrel bombs can serve up violence on a terrible scale.

We must change our mindset about war itself to prevent conflict through diplomacy and strive to end conflicts after they've begun. To see our growing interdependence as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition. To define our nations not by our capacity to destroy, but by what we build. And perhaps above all, we must reimagine our connection to one another as members of one human race.

For this, too, is what makes our species unique. We are not bound by genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can choose. We can tell our children a different story — one that describes a common humanity, one that makes war less likely and cruelty less easily accepted.

We see these stories in the hibakusha: the woman who forgave a pilot who flew the plane that dropped the atomic bomb because she recognized that what she really hated was war itself. The man who sought out families of Americans killed here because he believed their loss was equal to his own.

My own nation's story began with simple words. All men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Realizing that ideal has never been easy, even within our own borders, even among our own citizens.

But staying true to that story is worth the effort. It is an ideal to be strived for, an ideal that extends across continents and across oceans. The irreducible worth of every person. The insistence that every life is precious. The radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human family.

That is the story that we all must tell. That is why we come to Hiroshima: so that we might think of people we love. The first smile from our children in the morning. The gentle touch from a spouse over the kitchen table. The comforting embrace of a parent. We can think of those things and know that those same precious moments took place here 71 years ago.

Those who died, they are like us. Ordinary people understand this, I think. They do not want more war. They would rather that the wonders of science be focused on improving life and not eliminating it. When the choices made by nations — when the choices made by leaders — reflect this simple wisdom, then the lesson of Hiroshima is done.

The world was forever changed here. But today, the children of this city will go through their day in peace. What a precious thing that is. It is worth protecting, and then extending to every child.

That is a future we can choose: a future in which Hiroshima and Nagasaki are known not as the dawn of atomic warfare, but as the start of our own moral awakening.

gingyjaye

I REALLY HAVE BAD EYES AND I CAN'T READ LONG POSTS. I CAN'T EVEN READ A BOOK USE AUDIOBOOKS. SOME OF THESE POSTS ARE TOO LONG FOR ME TO READ. BUT I SAY WE AGREE TO DISAGREE. NOTHING WRONG WITH DIFFERENT VIEWS. SOME OF YOU ARE CONSERVATIVES, OTHERS ARE MODERATES I AM A LIBERAL FALLING OFF THE EARTH TO THE LEFT.

THIS IS A PUZZE SITE SO I GUESS I AM GOING TO TRY TO DO SOME PUZZLES.

DelaneyP

Text of President Barack Obama's remarks Friday at Hiroshima Peace Memorial Park about the U.S. atomic bombing, the legacy of World War II and nuclear weapons, as delivered:

Seventy one years ago, on a bright, cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the world was changed. The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself

Why do we come to this place, to Hiroshima? We come to ponder a terrible force unleashed in a not-so-distant past. We come to mourn the dead, including over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children, thousands of Koreans, a dozen Americans held prisoner.

Their souls speak to us. They ask us to look inward, to take stock of who we are and what we might become.

It is not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artifacts tell us that violent conflict appeared with the very first man. Our early ancestors, having learned to make blades from flint and spears from wood, used these tools not just for hunting but against their own kind.

On every continent, the history of civilization is filled with war, whether driven by scarcity of grain or hunger for gold, compelled by nationalist fervor or religious zeal. Empires have risen and fallen. Peoples have been subjugated and liberated, and at each juncture, innocents have suffered — a countless toll, their names forgotten by time.

The world war that reached its brutal end in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fought among the wealthiest and most powerful of nations. Their civilizations had given the world great cities and magnificent art. Their thinkers had advanced ideas of justice and harmony and truth.

And yet, the war grew out of the same base instinct for domination or conquest that had caused conflicts among the simplest tribes. An old pattern amplified by new capabilities and without new constraints.

In the span of a few years, some 60 million people would die. Men, women, children — no different than us — shot, beaten, marched, bombed, jailed, starved, gassed to death. There are many sites around the world that chronicle this war, memorials that tell stories courage and heroism, graves and empty camps, the echo of unspeakable depravity.

Yet in the image of a mushroom cloud that rose into these skies, we are most starkly reminded of humanity's core contradiction: how the very spark that marks us a species — our thoughts, our imagination, our language, our tool-making, our ability to set ourselves apart from nature and bend it to our will — those very things also give us the capacity for unmatched destruction.

How often does material advancement or social innovation blind us to this truth? How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause.

Every great religion promises a pathway to love and peace and righteousness. And yet no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed their faith as a license to kill.

Nations arise telling a story that binds people together in sacrifice and cooperation, allowing for remarkable feats. But those same stories have so often been used to oppress and dehumanize those who are different.

Science allows us to communicate across the seas and fly above the clouds, to cure disease and understand the cosmos. But those same discoveries can be turned into ever more efficient killing machines.

The wars of the modern age teach us this truth. Hiroshima teaches this truth. Technological progress without an equivalent progress in human institutions can doom us. The scientific revolution that led to the splitting of an atom requires a moral revolution as well.

That is why we come to this place.

@rodentraiser, I am certainly not opposed to assisting those who are disabled, but you know and I know there are those on welfare are drug users, etc. and people who do not contribute not one damn useful thing towards society, not one, I do not and do not think anyone holds anything against you for what you get. But if it were not for the the freeloaders we may even be able to help more, but democrats need votes and that is how they get them.

@gingyjaye, no one likes war and especially me, even being a former Marine, but there are evil people in this world and sometimes they leave others no choice, lets all be thank full that our leaders (Democrats) during WWII took that step when left with no choice, God forbid the results had we not. As far fetched as it may sound, how would you like to be living under German or Japanese rule?

Yes, it was an article posted on Face Book this morning by Allen West, entitled Young/Conservatives. So you may be able to google "Young/Conservatives" or "Allen West" and find the article. You may be able to find an article on it by just typing in "_______________ calls usa evil in Japan. Sorry, I do not write or type or say this mans name unless necessary, I despise him that much. Also, do not trust anything by these so called fact check sites as most of them have a hidden agenda and are far left leaning. Good luck Delaney.

DelaneyP

No, I didn't see, hear, or read that. Could you please provide the quote and the source you're using to claim this? Thanks.

gingyjaye

I AM SICK OF WAR. AND I REMEMBER BUSH STANDING THERE SAYING "THIS IS THE FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY". LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING TO BE AWESTRUCK ABOUT. WE NEED BERNIE!!!!!

Did everyone see where he called the USA "evil" in Hiroshima on his visit to Japan. They attack us, we kick their ass, and this POS calls our response "evil". I am so sick of this POS.

gingyjaye

CORP WELFARE ARE THE BIGGEST FREELOADERS. BUSH USED CLINTON'S SURPLUS FOR A SHAM WAR. WE ARE ALL STILL PAYING FOR THIS BLUNDER. AND IF THE STOCK MARKET CRASHED AFTER OBAMA WAS ELECTED YOU WOULD BLAME HOM TOO. WE NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE NEED BERNIE SANDERS. FEEL THE BERN!!

You are aware that the majority of people on welfare work and pay taxes into the very system that helps them, right? And I guess I'm one of those freeloaders you're talking about. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of being disabled after working for 35 years, so now I'm living in subsidized housing and receiving food stamps. You know what's stopping me from going back to community college, aside from the fact that I can't afford $5000 a quarter? If I attend the local college here full time, I will be evicted. That's right. Due to certain qualifications of funding the building where I live, I am not allowed to live here and attend college full time. I might chance it if I were a little younger, but when you get older, living on the street gets a lot harder. Been there, done that.

As for bringing back God, may I ask: Which one? The Mormon God? The Catholic God? The Protestant God? And what is bringing back God going to do for anyone? Warren Buffet pledged to 99% of his wealth to charity. Good without God. Bill Gates has donated over 26 billion to charity. Good without God. Pat Robertson is the wealthiest evangelical Christian in the world, has donated almost nothing to charity and utilizes slave labor in a diamond mine in Africa. This is Christianity?

Anyway, I'm outta here. You believe what you want to believe. But word of advice: don't be so hostile to a helping hand. One day you may need it.

ravrany

Put God back in our country!!

ravrany

Also, who is stopping all of these freeloaders from getting an education - nobody but themselves!!

ravrany

B.S.- Do you know how much money this man has cost us?? Saved the country?? All of his vacations has cost us millions. Medicare is a joke. Everybody doesn't get a "high paying" job but you work the best you can. So you're saying that if you don't make enough to live on that you're going to rely on the government to live on? That's exactly what they want. The Democrats want you to need them for everything. And about your analysis on monthly income, stop overseas production and customer serivce jobs. Stop providing people that are not even looking for jobs income. This is so useless now because so many want something for doing nothing just like Obama. How was he a president anyway, still haven't seen that birth certificate. It's too late for all of the damage he his done, our only hope is for our next leader.

biggest piece of shit this country has ever seen

"George W. Bush inherited a growing economy, a budget surplus, and a nation at peace.
Eight years later, he left Obama with a shattered economy, a trillion
dollar deficit, and two useless wars.

Obama saved the country from another Great Depression, rebuilt GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 16 straight quarters of GDP growth, created 65 months of private sector job growth, got Bin Laden, and got Gaddafi.

Obama has done a very good job."

Ravrany, not my post, but I agree with it.

The problem isn't getting a job, it's getting a job that pays enough to live on. I've heard other people say the same thing, that poor people should get a job. But then they do get a job and can't afford rent on minimum wage and the next thing you know, someone is spitting at them and saying to get a better job. The reason is we don't value work anymore. All we value is the money. If someone works 40 or 50 or 60 hours a week in this country, no one should be poor, no matter what work they do.

I did the math one day. I took $1000 as rent for a one bedroom apartment and figured what you'd need to make per hour to only spend the recommended amount of 30% of monthly income to pay that $1000/month. You'd need to make $20.83/hr in order for your rent of $1000/month to only be 30% of your monthly income.

In 1975, I rented a one bedroom apartment for $125/month and I had no problems supporting myself on $2/hr. At $1000/month for the same apartment today, that is 8 times the amount I paid in 1975. If minimum wage had increased 8 times, it would now be $16/hr. And in the meantime, look how much gas, food, and utilities have gone up.

Suemarie, up until the mid-80s, California had free universities. We managed to pay for them then. Why can't we pay for them now? Education is like health insurance - we can't afford to not have it. All the people we're not educating right now are the ones who could be getting higher paid jobs and earning higher salaries, paying more taxes and contributing to their communities. Eventually we're going to run out of rich people in this country. Eventually there won't be enough of them to supply all the people we need to be bridge inspectors, scientists, doctors, computer programmers, among others. What do we do then?

Well, this is getting long. I wish you all could read "The Working Poor" by David Shipler. It's an eye opener. And if you read it, think about the fact that it was written before 2008.

gingyjaye

I AM A LEFT WING CHRISTIAN. I THINK CHRISTIANITY IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. I AM A CATHOLIC. BUT IT CAN'T BE FORCED. RELIGION IS A PERSONAL THING. I AM A LEFT WING CHRISTIAN. NO SUCH THING? WELL I AM. I AM A SINCERE CATHOLIC WHO TAKES MY RELIGION SERIOUSLY AND WISH ALL DID. I THINK EVERY CHILD SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO RELIGION. BUT IN THE END IT IS A PERSONAL THING BETWEEN EACH PERSON AND GOD.

ravrany

P.S. Put God back in our country instead of banning The Pledge Of Allegiance in schools!! And I'm tired of seeing people getting "free things" that they don't deserve. When I go grocery shopping I get in line behind people that have their cell phones, nails done, hair done, fine clothing,etc.., using Link Cards, it makes me sick!! Get a job!! Maybe there would be more jobs if government wouldn't give all of ours overseas. There's nothing I love more than when trying to communicate with my credit card company and having to talk with the Philippians or India!! Bring back Republicans and bring back jobs to America!

ravrany

Hancheye, check out user US_femail, the picture with the big gun mailbox. Let me know what you think??

ravrany

Obama makes me sick and can't think of one positive thing he has done for "our" country (not his) this past 8 miserable years. And if the celebs leave the US, who cares - actors are a dime a dozen and there are many hopefuls in Hollywood that would gladly take their place.

Go ravrany Go. Trump just may win this thing and put certain people on this site into a tail spin of more and more hate. They accuse us of being hateful, but the hate only exits with them when they do not get their way. Suzzie Q is a piece of work is she not, LMAO. Note that old suzzie Q has refused to discuss the lies that have been told by the person in this puzzle. She knows that would be an area she cannot support, so she has ignored it, typical of libs. GO TRUMP GO!!!!!!!!!!! Lets hope that all the celebrities who have threaten to leave the USA if Trump is elected do just that, leave. Again, cannot have their way, pout, throw a tantrum, go home with their marbles.

ravrany

Go Donald!! Obama, you will so NOT be missed. You have ruined our country!!

suemarie

One tactic people use who have to camouflage the fact that they don't have the proper answers to their opponent's questions is to attempt to demean them by calling them by a nickname, the way Trump does with Lyin' Ted or Crooked Hillary, or by calling women by the words men have used for many generations to put down a woman's intellect or skills, trying to show her that she's not a man and thus not worth listening to, such as Honey and Babe and Toots. Well, you've managed to do both, by calling me suzzie several times, and now adding a sweetie as well. That's not how you prove you're right.

As far as my being a cherry-picker goes, as I've explained both on this puzzle and on the other one that was removed, you pack in so many misstatements and non-facts and meaningless digressions and unfounded assertions and incorrect conclusions into each of your comments that I don't have the time to waste going into each and every one of them. So I select a few that are representative, like the Baltimore cops, and Trump changing his positions so drastically, and Bernie losing by more than 3 million votes, and show how you erred. In fact, YOU are the one who doesn't address what I say--you've never answered any of those points; I'm not the one who does it. I certainly don't avoid it because I "know what [you] say is true"! If I don't answer each and every point, it's because, as I said, I don't like wasting my time by refuting every last little absurd remark you make. Want me to address everything you've said? Okay: you're wrong. Period.

You are correct suzzie, it is impossible to have a rational discussion with YOU. You are a cherry picker, you pick those topics where you feel you are correct or have a basis for your views and ignore those points made by me where by you know you do not have a leg to stand on. Typical liberal, when you see your at a disadvantage you bring up other things as a distraction or change the subject. Example, my point about the idiot in this photo being a liar and you ignore it because you know what I say is true. You have a nice day sweetie and I will check back with you on 1-20-17.

gingyjaye

BUT AS FAR AS I CAN SEE NO ONE SAID OBAMA DID NOTHING WRONG. REMEMBER, MITCH SAID THEIR MAIN GOAL WAS TO ASSURE OBAMA DIDN'T GET ANOTHER TERM, NOT TO DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. SEEMS TO ME BOTH PARTIES ARE TOO LOYAL TO THE PARTY AND NOT TO THE COUNTRY. THAT IS WHY I AM UNAFFILIATED NOW. IT IS A WEIGHT OFF MY HEART.

I THINK PASSIONS ARE HIGH ON BOTH SIDES. I AM A PASSIONATE BERNER. BUT FORGET PARTY LOYALTY! BOTH NEED TO BE TRASHED OR REMADE.

suemarie

Once again, it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you, with your tenuous connection to reality and your disdain for actual facts, and not ones that you make up. Again, I'll just mention one here, the way I did on the other puzzle, where you claimed that ALL of the cops charged with murder in Baltimore were found not guilty, when, in FACT, only ONE was; one had his trial end in a hung jury, and he will be retried later this year; the others are all still awaiting trial, so have certainly NOT been found innocent, as you claim. Now, in your latest statement, you claim that Bernie's nomination "is being stole" from him, and that "if she was getting the most votes", then....... Well, she IS, in FACT, getting the most votes!!! She is ahead by more than 3 MILLION votes--not delegates or super-delegates, but actual American citizens voting that much more for her than for Sanders. So how is that "stealing the election/not having their [Bernie's voters'] voice heard"?
As I wrote on the other puzzle, I'm tired of trying to have a rational, logical, fact-based debate with someone who doesn't think or debate that way. So good night......

My bad, was not referring to you, but the others who think BO can do no wrong. I respect your views, I too believe in God. I am so happy that you recognize her (Hillary) for what she is, a person who has no ones interest at heart but hers. That is one vile, selfish, woman who put our country at risk and lied about it because she felt she was above the law and no one could touch her. Here is hoping we do get to touch her through our votes. I hope, like you do, that Bernie gets the nomination that I might add is being stole from him by the democratic political machine. Its really sad that the people who voted for him are not having their voice heard, but this is where our country is headed, but only about one half can see it. Those who want to see Hillary the liar win the nomination would be yelling the loudest if she was getting the most votes and the system was rigged for Bernie. How many states has Bernie won the most votes, but she walked off with the most delegates?

gingyjaye

HANCHEYE, I DON'T WORSHIP ANYONE BUT GOD OUR FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. WHEN I CALL HILLARY A LIAR I AM TALKING ABOUT HER CHANGING HER VIEWS TO SUIT HERSELF. I AM ONLY FOR BERNIE. NO ONE ELSE.

OMG, everyone on here should go to politifact.com and read about all the lies this so called president has told. Do not be throwing stones at Trump until you check out the God all of you apparently worship, suzzie. And do not call Trump a liar for wanting Mexico to pay for a wall, ever heard of Foreign Aid that Mexico gets from us. One easy payment should do the deed. Do not call him a liar because he has changed his views on issues. You can call him a liar if he does not do what he says once in office. You want to see lying, look at this picture, that's lying in its purist form.

jrabbit

Bravo suemarie, JRo and lefty50. Now, let's solve puzzles!

lefty50

Well said, SueMarie. Now can we get back to the discussion about gray hair?

JRo

suemarie, very well said, I agree. Why such hate from hancheye? We need to all get along and respect each others opinions without all the hate and malice.

suemarie

I don't support Bernie, because he can't pay for free college or universal single-payer medical care or any of his other pie-in-the-sky promises. At least Hillary acknowledges that there are limits on what can be done, even though that makes her less popular. It's so much easier to get votes if you promise the impossible , even though you have no way to fulfill those promises. He has also done nothing of value in all his years in the senate, while Hillary was able to work with the Republicans there (back when they were actually willing to do something besides obstruct Obama), and she was an excellent Secretary of State.

That's why I found it so surprising that you called gingyjaye level-headed for supporting Bernie. Im particularly surprised that you, a Trump supporter, values honesty, since Trump, who claims to want to keep jobs in the US, but has his brand of ties manufactured in China, who claims to be a great businessman, but who had to declare bankruptcy 4 times, who claims to want a good education for all, but runs a "university" that provides nothing of value, but charges a fortune to do so, who wants to send immigrants back, but employs them in his businesses, who claims that he will build a wall and that Mexico will pay for it, but it's technologically infeasible (how do you wall off the rivers, for one thing...) and there is no way Mexico will ever agree to fund it, and who has changed his positions on gun control, abortion, Planned Parenthood, and Hillary's ability, and so on, is far from being an honest man.....

Your very welcome suzzie, one of Bernie's greatest assets is his willingness to tell the truth, unlike the image in this puzzle and that other person running for President, who is the greatest liar of all time. I just wish that gingyjaye would ask one question of old Bernie and that is how is he going to pay for all these promises he is making to his supporters, you know free college, etc. etc. I respect Mr. Sanders because he seems to be very honest unlike those you support, I too would vote for him over Miss Liar in Chief, at least you know he is telling the truth and is honest. He knows he is a socialist and does not lie about it, you can deal with that. The only issue I have with old Bernie is again, how is he going to pay for all the promises he is making? You ever hear that old story about the people pulling the cart and eventually getting tired and climbing into the cart instead of pulling, you know, kind of what is going on in our country today. All I want to know is when all those who initially began pulling the cart, who are now in the cart, how is it going to make progress or get anywhere. Its a simple uncomplicated question one that I doubt you cannot answer honestly because that's not who you are. No doubt you will answer it with a spin, just like your hero in the puzzle.

suemarie

hancheye, I'm so glad that you acknowledge that gingyjaye, a fervent Bernie Sanders supporter, is a level-headed person. I agree!

@gingyjaye, thank you, finally a level headed person.

suemarie

This is what you started with the last time: as far as you're concerned, if a person dares to disagree with you, that means that you are not being allowed to have an opinion that differs from that person's. No, it means that that person disagrees with you, period! It doesn't mean that you are not being given a chance to express your views! You get to say what you want, and we get to say what we want. You are the one who doesn't want to hear from anyone who has a different belief from your own.....

gingyjaye

HANCHEYE, OF COURSE YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. OH AND I AM NOT SHOUTING. VISUAL PROBLEMS EASIER TO SEE CAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE GEOMETRICALLY SIMPLER THE WORLD NEEDS DIFFERENT OPINIONS OR IT WILL BE A BORING PLACE.

Typical, you can express your views but God forbid anyone have an opinion that differs from yours. Nothing ever changes with the communist far left.

gingyjaye

I WANT BERNIE. NEITHER HILLARY OR DOANLD ARE HONEST AND BERNIE SAYS WHAT HE MEANS. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED WITH PEOPLE NEEDS AND GLOBAL WARMING.

OBAMA IS NOT THE WORST PRESIDENT WE HAVE HAD THE WORST DO NOTHING CONGRESS EVER! HOW COULD OBAMA GET ANYTHING DONE? THEY WOULDN'T EVEN PASS THE JOBS ACT.

suemarie

Too bad the Hillary puzzle from Fermons was removed--having websum read your rants there (so replete with misstatements, inaccuracies, racist remarks, and absurd analyses) would have been a quick way to show him/her what he/she can expect trying to have a rational discussion with you......

@websum, you are very typical of the far left, every one is wrong and only you know what your talking about. I know a hell of a lot about the history of the USA than you may think, and I have served this once great country my entire life. Never have I witnessed a country so split and so divided as our's is now, and it all goes back to the racist person pictured in this puzzle. People are fighting against one another like no time in history, all because of this POS. He is evil, he is vile, and his agenda is destructive. I did not vote for him but when he was elected I said to myself "maybe this is a good thing, maybe he can bring us all closer together". Well, how stupid of me to think such a thing. You only need to think back over the past 7 1/2 years as to the number of times he has injected himself into local matters that he had no business in doing and split white against black and black against white. No Mr. websum, I know more about history than you think and my memory span is apparently far greater than yours sir. Oh I'm sorry, maybe your a mam and not a sir. Oh I am sorry, it does not matter anymore you and I can use the same restroom facilities now.

treker

Ahem FERMONS,...that's Barack,... with a "ck".

hancheye you obviously don't know much about history. Barack is one of the most intelligent and best presidents the USA has had and the GOP one of the most obstructive and worst congress's we have ever had.

Go Trump!!! I agree go away, far away Trump!!!!

Worst president in the history of the USA, hands down. Go Trump

Yes..this has to be his beginning picture..lol...go Pres!

gingyjaye

THAT DAMN CONGRESS STOPPED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT PRESIDENCY AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICA. HE STILL IS A GOOD LOOKING MAN BUT CONGRESS PUT YEARS ON BARACK.

lefty50

Must be an old picture - his hair hasn't gone gray yet.

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