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My latest acquisition. This arm was manufactured in 1912, according to the serial number. It is a variant - modification in superficial manner - of the Savage Model 1907 pistol, caliber .32 ACP or 7.65 Browning to our brethren and sistren to the East of the Atlantic.
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OldManMontgomery

I have a couple of them. All 1907 models but different years of manufacture. All of them work properly except the one under discussion. Trigger pulls are uniformly heavy. But they were designed as 'working' sidearms.

Mine works well. I remember now that I took it one time to W. Virginia with me where we have a bunch of acres for shooting guns. It did shoot 10 shots rather fast I thought. Didn't measure the trigger pull or time the shots but no doubles, just clean shooting.

patsquire

Ah, well I should have realized you were on top of the problem. I didn't realize you'd looked into it so thoroughly. Best of luck.

OldManMontgomery

Pat it will not pass on to another who does not know about the problem.

As noted, I have searched the Numrich Gun Parts Corporation website. They don't have parts for it. Neither does Jack First. Nor does a local parts acquirer who has several semi-trailers full of bits and pieces. As I also noted, there is a local machinist who will weld up the parts in question and then machine them to serve.

I'm got a handle on the potential problem.

patsquire

I'm afraid I failed to make my point with sufficient clarity. I do that sometimes. Since you have the pistol and know about the problem, not firing it yourself only protects you. But someday that pistol will pass to other hands, ignorant of the problem. The victim in my case died because he had just acquired the pistol, and was trying it out for the first time, unawares. You might be able to send it out to Clark's Custom Gunsmithing in Louisiana and see if they'll fix it for a reasonable price. Or you can get in touch with the Numrich Gun Parts Corp. in New York. They'll have parts for it, and if you describe the problem to one of their guys he might even know what parts you need to fix it yourself or get a local gunsmith to fix it. I’d try Numrich first if it were me. Last time I needed their help was for an old Mannlicher carbine in 6.5 mm. Either way, not fixing it just leaves it deadly as a rattlesnake!

Numrich Gun Parts Corporation
226 Williams Ln.
Kingston, NY 12401
845-679-4867

OldManMontgomery

Pat, I do not shoot it. I did shoot it once when I bought it, just to be able to compare the velocity obtained with others (all one lot of commercial ammunition).

I have looked for replacement parts. There aren't any of which to speak. I do have a friendly machinist who can weld up parts and recut them, but I haven't yet.

Yes, I am conversant with the problem. The Mauser 'schnellfeuer') Model 712, and the MAC-13 are both examples of fully automatic pistols that were marvels of engineering and commercial and contractual failures as they simple cannot be controlled in fully automatic mode.

Even with fully automatic rifles, one usually get one 'hit' and several high misses, depending how fast one can release the trigger. Such is life.

patsquire

Please take a word of caution OMM. A pistol that doubles is more dangerous than a rattlesnake. The doubling means that parts are worn, as you said, and below the safe threshold of reliability. To what result? Well, that's the question to which there is no answer.

I had a case in Florida in which a worn pistol went full auto (which is what yours does when it doubles) only this time it tripled. The first shot went down range and as the gun recoiled the second shot went up in the air and as it recoiled further the third (and fatal) shot went into the shooter's cheek and out through the top of his head.

When is your worn out pistol going to go beyond doubling? You don't know. When can you keep that day from coming? Right now. Get the parts from Numrich and have a local gunsmith replace what's worn out, or maybe you can do it yourself. Eventually somebody's life will depend on it. A friendly word to the wise.

OldManMontgomery

Disston, the trigger pull is between six and fifty-two pounds. One has to get used to it for rapid fire. And another Savage I have (same model, 1907, but slightly different variant) will 'double' (fire a second shot without being prompted) on occasion. The internal workings are a bit worn and I'm a bit suspicious.

They advertised 10 shots real quick. The gun could be fired quickly I guess. Mines not as nice as yours but I haven't tried to test it for rapid fire. It's never had a jam or other problem. Really unique part of this gun is all the workings in the rear peanut of the slide. BTW a .45 version was in the running against Colt for the new contract that became the 1911.

patsquire

"He got a .32 gun in his pocket for fun." - Jim Croce - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown.

Nice old compact pocket pistol. They used to be called belly guns for two reasons: that's where you carried them and that's where you shot your assailant. Don't underestimate that .32 ACP either. It packs more wallop than you'd expect, even though it's sneered at these days. Nice acquisition, OMM!

Mallcat

I appreciate good workmanship.

OldManMontgomery

Mallcat, it is in remarkably good condition. One of the best I have.

Mallcat

Nice piece.

OldManMontgomery

Lighting looked better in the preliminary state.

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