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This is a quotation from "America" on the internet:

If you've gotten the "Death Spiral" email that's apparently been arriving in many inboxes, here's the verdict from two major, nonpartisan fact checkers:

It is NOT true, as the email claims, that in 11 states there are more people on welfare than there are working.

The debunkers: both and

First, some background:

A Forbes column back in November talked about 11 "death spiral" states that are "danger spots for investors" because of rising taxes, "deteriorating state finances and an exodus of employers." The states: Alabama, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Ohio and South Carolina.

"Two factors determine whether a state makes this elite list of fiscal hellholes," Forbes' William Baldwin wrote. "The first is whether it has more takers than makers. A taker is someone who draws money from the government, as an employee, pensioner or welfare recipient. A maker is someone gainfully employed in the private sector."

Baldwin, who tells FactCheck that "what he reported and what the email says 'are not the same thing at all,' " does not claim in his column that the states have more people on welfare than are working. And as PolitiFact points out:
If this arrives in your inbox, fact checkers advise just hitting delete.

? Baldwin included people who are working, for state and local governments, in his "takers" column. He also put government pensioners, who can certainly make the case that they worked for their earnings, in the takers column.

? The only people Baldwin counted as being on welfare are Medicaid recipients.

"None of the 11 states on his list has more Medicaid recipients than workers," FactCheck writes. "Also, none of the states has more recipients [than workers] of other kinds of 'welfare,' such as TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) or food stamps (officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program)."

"By either a broad definition of welfare or a narrow one," PolitiFact concludes, experts say it's "false and even 'extreme' " to say that the states have more people on welfare than are working. So, it gives the email its harshest rating: "Pants on Fire!"

And pdev when you get here never mind leaving a long rant. We've all heard it before.

Very soon in this country the ones getting the free ride in the wagon will exceed the number of the ones pulling the wagon and the ones pulling will decide not to bother anymore and get in the wagon themselves or leave. Then the whole country collapses and that is exactly what this president wants.


And that's what ended Rome


Well said, Emerger. I've recently read that in over a dozen states the number of people on the dole exceeds the number of people who have jobs! The few are working to feed themselves, their families AND the many. And as you say, "...nothing is going to change."


The fact is, "We the People" can get it back any time we want to. But instead, most of the people want --and deserve-- exactly what they are getting, which is a huge, corrupt government that tries to do everything for everyone, at the expense of everyone else, and whose elected members sell their votes to the highest bidder. Unless and until a majority of the people want freedom instead of security and special treatment, and they are willing to accept responsibility for themselves, nothing is going to change.

Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't resist.



If we read the Bible and obey it, love God, have him in our hearts and pray, then God will bless us again.


In total agreement with puzzle and elevenfan. Thanks gre181.