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PutterDutt

Ohhhhhhh, yeaaaaaah!

jyl

I agree with both of you: when I worked with dogs it was well known that gaze hounds were not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I did, however, meet some Afghans who were well trained and obedient (same owner/breeder of all of them). Knew more than one Border collie that were smarter than their people, too. :o)))

Surreal_Heidi

Mine was not US bred. That makes a difference. Different gene pool.

PutterDutt

The only dog that ever got a tooth into me was an Afghan, Heidi. Guess I'm none too fond of them. There was some fool in the area years ago who tried to put a U.D. on an Afghan. Never got it. Glad yours was smarter than that one!

Surreal_Heidi

I would disagree with Afghans being last. My first dog was an Afghan, and Noha was a brilliant girl. Very intelligent and loyal dog.... as smart as one of my Collies. I suspect the results depended more on how their owners treated them than how smart the dogs were. I will admit to prejudice against the intelligence of Shih Tzus, though. My mother always had them, and I never met one that could be housebroken.

PutterDutt

You're all so totally correct, Ladies! As you may recall, my first dog, Tigger, (the handsome boy on my avatar) went from being a 5 year old rascal to only the third Keeshond in the world to have won ALL the Obedience titles in the U.S. and Canada and became world-famous in the process. I've always said that Tig taught me more than I ever taught him.

I love the empathy story, Wendy! I learned that Tigger could cry, too, when we blew an Obedience trial in Canada. We went back to the motel and I collapsed on the bed in a pile of tears. Tig put his head in my lap but I was having none of it. My hubby told me that I'd have to stop crying because Tigger was crying, too. He was......both eyes.

Jyl, BC's were the #1 breed on that list, and as I recall, Afghans were the last place.

Surreal_Heidi

I've always said that dogs are smarter than people. Years ago, I had an 8 month old puppy tested to see how many human words he understood. It was found that he knew over 300 words, including being able to differentiate between red, yellow and blue. How many 8 month old humans can do that?
You are right, jyl. Obedience classes are far more effective when the owner learns more than the dog.

jyl

Ellen, we are talking about trained and untrained dogs here. There is an IQ scale worked out by some expert in Vancouver, BC. From what I recall it seemed quite "on point" when I read it: Border collies at the very top and the Chinese crested and another mutation at the bottom. I agree with you that any person with 3/4 of a brain and a will to have a responsible, courteous dog can learn all they need from a good set of obedience classes. What so few folks understand is that the people should learn as much or more than the dog. ◔ᴗ◔

unicorn3

Oh I hear you. If I didn't have two knees that need replacing, I would love to take Ollie in and teach her some manners. I'm not an expert, but I must have done something right with dogs we've had, because they were obedient. Livvy, my current dog, spent the first 2 years of her life with my daughter and granddaughter, so I had a lot of work to do when I chose to take her in. She is not as obedient as I would like her to be, but she is really good. Sometimes all I have to do is give her a certain look, and she knows what I want. She reads me like a book and is always glued to me. I can't go anywhere in the house that she isn't right behind me. And if I cry, wow, she is all over me with hugs, just leaning her body into mine. Even my 2 cats a tuned into me. Allow me one comical story. I got food poisoning one day, not that it's comical, but there I am, in the bathroom, on the throne, bucket in front of me. I look up and there is Livvy sitting just to the right of me, and behind her my big beautiful Scrappy cat, and behind him, my little JJ, the tortoise shell cat. I actually started laughing. They all looked so worried. I'm on a quest right now to to catch JJ and clip her nails. She does not like to be touched or held!!! Wendy

PutterDutt

Wendy, your tale of woe sounds too much like my half sister's new dog. I thought that Amy (half sister) loved Lilly, the prior dog, very much, but when they put Lilly to sleep, Amy didn't even cry. She and my step mother went out to get a new dog, a black Lab mix, named Lucy. Well, Lucy is the most undisciplined creature I've ever seen!!! She bounces all over people and drags Amy by the leash where ever she wants to go. Amy's so proud that, supposedly, Lucy got 1st place in her puppy class, but I suspect that it was because the Instructor wanted to get Amy and that awful creature out of her class! Amy WON'T let her off leash, even in the house and despite me urging her to let the dog loose so that I could do some remedial teaching. Betty, Amy's mother, is afraid of the dog and I see disaster looming! I was just over there a couple of days ago and gritted my teeth the entire time.

JM_Cookie

I do think I got more out of Puppy Class than my dog did, but that's ok, I needed the education.

unicorn3

You are so right Ellen. My granddaughter has a beautiful Pitt Bull X, Ollie, she is sweet natured, and a little over a year now. But I don't want her in my house. She has no manners. She literally bounces off my furniture, and runs into me, and with my knees, I can't take that. My dog absolutely hates her. Livvy, my dog, used to be my granddaughter's dog, and she is very jealous of Ollie. There is no visiting when Ollie is about. It's a constant trying to contain her and make her lie down and behave. She will lie down, for 1 second. The word stay means nothing to her. I feel bad for Ollie because she is not very welcome in anyone's house, and that's sad. I told my granddaughter she needs to take Ollie to obedience school...............Wendy

PutterDutt

As far as I'm concerned, there is NO stupid dog, only stupid people, jyl. I'm guessing that you agree.

jyl

Isn't it amazing how much open minded people can learn at puppy classes?
Those with closed minds tend to stay home and wonder why their dogs are unruly and "stupid."

PutterDutt

Good for you AND them, Jim!

JM_Cookie

I took both my dogs to puppy class and I had a lot of fun :-D

PutterDutt

This class is to teach puppies to get used to all sorts of things that they shouldn't be afraid of.

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