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LinM

:-)

Mazy

right back at you. Hugs.

LinM

Don't let the nitwits get you down! You are valued (and valuable) here. We need you!

Mazy

:)

radiojerry

Sorry, thought everybody knew I was in Texas.

Mazy

I hope you don't, either!

Most of the time I feel very safe here. I have travelled solo, camping in the box of my pickup, over all of western Canada, all the way to the end of the road by the Arctic Ocean, and into Alaska. I hate to stay in pay campgrounds, often the sites are so close together and if I'm sleeping in my vehicle, what do I need to drop $20 / night for? That's gas money to go further! I'm often somewhere off the road in the bush, by myself, and have never felt the need for a firearm.

Sadly, it's that once in decades event that happens that makes people here antsy and afraid to do what I do. Last month two teenage boys shot and killed a young couple travelling by van in northern BC, and a university lecturer camping on his own. Both incidents the victims were camping rough like I like to. So it does happen.

If you don't want to say what state you are in Jerry that's ok, but maybe you just didn't see my question :)

radiojerry

Mazy - you may have seen in one of my posts on one of Ellen's puzzles that I carry my .380, and my license to carry, with me at all times where it is legal. Just didn't want you to confuse me with one of those radical NRA supporters. They don't speak with my voice and I think that organization is the legitimate gun owners worst enemy. I worked in jails for 25 years and I have stood face to face with hundreds of individuals I would never want to meet on the street. Therefore, I feel much better having adequate defense although I hope I never ever have to use it.

Mazy

thanks, Jeri. my puzzles will always be a 'safe place' and I will never stand by and let my friends upset one another here. I can't control the internet but I can control my little pages on it (I've had to shut people down on my facebook page before and say I won't have them insulting friends of mine - whom they've never even met or 'seen' online before - over things like in differences politics (I am actually talking about those same NRA-supporter distant inlaws having a go at my pacifist liberal outdoorsy friends.)

I think that those who are bullying others and do what these people are doing to you Mazy are just showing how hateful they are and isn't time for all of us, supposedly, grown-ups realize that every one of us have a right to our own opinion and it doesn't make us right or wrong. We just don't agree with each other and that is ok, How boring this world would be if we all thought alike and we never had a thought/opinion that differs from someone else. So we should just acknowledge that we aren't always going to agree on everything. And when we don't agree with your opinion be a big person and just accept it. Mazy, again thanks for all your puzzles and for the encouragement you give to so many people here on Jigidi!!! have a good night/day!!! God bless!!! Jeri

Rainrider1214

Rem trys to be sly, he will sneak up behind me when we are out side, then just hang out and keep out of sight until I call him. Then in a flash he hits me in the back, bits my back pocket, and looks to see Karma is around to blame it on.

Mazy

thanks Fay and ozabby. I read their comment today, and I sure appreciated it, but anyone who sticks their neck out here as one of my peers - well, that means the world to me.

RR - they're ALL BRATS!! and I can just see his response as you've told it. Priceless. "Yes, dad, I really AM a brat dog! Isn't it great!"

OMG! Mazy! - just looked at the puzzle comments you referred to earlier - I had no idea people did this on jigidi. YOU ALWAYS MAKE ME SMILE! and your comments to me have made me feel good because it's nice to be acknowledged and you take the time to do that. If you want to see how the other debate (on the other page re gun control) could have ended - google the incident in Sydney and the bloke using a milk crate to keep everyone safe. the term 'MAKE AUSTRALIA CRATE AGAIN' has been coined by a funny-bunny on social media (so it's not all bad there either thankfully). I could definitely see how the joke didn't need to be blonde-specific (or female) it would have been just as funny without the descriptions. Keep smiling girl! =D

Rainrider1214

So ypou think Rem is a brat dog as well? HEHE Can't wait to let him know I am not the only one thinking that. As to folks being way right, I know some of them my self, and try hard to stay clear of that. Well I just told Rem I wasn't alone, he just looked at me all happy, and waged his tail. I think that means he is happy to know he is doing a good job.

Fowly

Mazy ,Jigidi has spoken on the site of Bonnie’s joke. Hugs my friend, and keep that chin well and truly UP, and STANDFAST. You are a winner. Fay❤️

Mazy

oh, and no worries RR. I have some distant in-laws who are rabid NRA supporters, very right wing people. We can get together and have a great time. But if they start in with the gun stuff, or anti- (semitism, Mexican / Latin American, French, homosexual, yada yada) stuff, I remove myself from the conversation until it's over. Because their house isn't jigidi's house. We can agree to disagree on some things. Except for Rem, we agree on Rem.

Mazy

Many thanks, Jeri, especially as you and I haven't really spoken before. I appreciate you taking the time to say this to me. This sort of support is exactly what I needed today and I am so grateful to everyone for showing it to me.

The only 'con' as I see it, about staying here, is putting up with another year of slights, slander, etc. from what is actually a very small number of people, who for reasons unknown feel the right and the need to be hateful to me personally.

It has been a learning experience for me not to let it get to me; not to 'give them the satisfaction' of rising to the bait; not to completely eviscerated them in cruelly clever ways (the pulling back I have done in that regard); and so on.

I am perhaps the quickest to forgive of anyone I know well, and at any point these individuals could have taken advantage of that, but they have very pointedly spurned any attempts of mine (always mine!) to bury the hatchet.

Oh well. So long as they stop hounding me (and that includes oblique references where they don't use my name but clearly are referring to me - see

https://www.jigidi.com/jigsaw-puzzle/ZV2FUZI8/If-the-dog-kills-over-your-feet-may-stink

If I stand up for myself, like, in this example, to say, "I'm not stalking you - I never look at your puzzles and I never instigate an exchange with you", then I get coy, snide respnses like the one here

https://www.jigidi.com/jigsaw-puzzle/A7N0P1HX/Windows

where I'm to believe that I wasn't being called a name, but by standing up for my character, obviously I am the epitome of that name.

Crazy talk. That's what it is. I can take it, but I can't let my reputation and good name take it in a public forum.

Good times!

I think I saw that whole seatbelt thing. Like I said. Crazy talk.

Thanks again Jeri and all. It's now just after midnight here so I'm hitting the sack. Sweet dreams to us all. ♥️

Mazy; Please don't leave Jigidi because not only do you post great puzzles but if you leave you will be letting those who are bullying you win and they don't deserve to win!!! From all I"ve been reading this morning I can understand your wanting to remove yourself from here but you will be missing something that you seem to enjoy. What I think needs to be done is now that these bullies have already been spoken to once that it is now time for a "time out" for them for a certain amount of time. Once that i done they should be allowed one more chance but if they continue this behavior they should immediately lose ALL privileges and rights to use Jigidi - with no opportunity to ever use this site again. I remember a while back there was a puzzle of this couple trying to bring this huge T.V. in their car and there was a discussion about whether the driver had his seat belt on or not. It seemed that we all agreed that the woman had her's on and I don't know who it was that made a comment that really slammed (my thinking on the comment) the person who had commented on the driver and his seat belt. When I enlarged the puzzle and realized that that person was right about the driver not apparently having it on I made a comment to stand up for the person and the "slammer" jumped all over me saying I was making negative comments. What I had said, (this is paraphrased as I don't remember my exact words) that he/she needed to check things out before making comments about what someone without making sure he/she knew what they were talking about. I became angry about this and had almost given up on Jigidi but stopped myself from leaving because why should I let what someone said to/about me ruin the fun times I have here. I have told you this Mazy to let you know that these bullies should be the ones to leave and not you. My suggestion before you make that move is to take some time away from here to think about what you want to do. For a few days try to just let it go then after that sit down and write out pros and cons as to why you should/shouldn't stay with this site. Then a another day or 2 or 3, then make your final decision. I, am an American, for one like you from what you post for puzzles and the stands you make on things. Everyone has the right to their own opinions and if someone doesn't like the opinion well, that' their problem and that is their opinion of what was said. Try to have a good day today, as that is what it will probably be when you read this. As it is now 2:50 AM. Sorry for writing so much but this has upset me - NO ONE SHOULD BE THE VICTIM OF BULLIES!!! Hang in there!!! Jeri

Lyricist

Oh i was just being irritating - sometimes I can't resist.

Mazy

Amen, RR.

Mazy

thanks, Jerry. If you manage to get up this way I will finagle a ride for you on our local steam train.

Mary, if you would like us to say grace, I will be happy to ask you to do the honours.

Nana, I haven't seen you before, either, but I truly appreciate your kind words and willingness to support a total stranger. THAT is what it all boils down to, isn't it? just being nice to one another, and as you say, helping one another. Kindness is my favourite idea, my goal, my aim to uphold. It's a big deal for me. I'm glad to have met you, and I hope to see more of you. Hugs back.

Oh! and Julie! what you said hours ago made my day. I meant to tell you so.

Thank you all and much love.

Rainrider1214

Mazy, please forgive my taking so long to reply. I do agree that we as a nation have somethings we need to work on. however if I had one of my kids setting fires, I wouldn't take the lighter from them both. Just the one that is doing the deed. If we had time to talk without, out side interference, I do think you would find that we may well stand on the same of the street where some parts of the topic are concerned. There is no easy fix, and is harder yet when facts are screwed to fit one side or the other. Both sides seem to think there is only one way to fix what is wrong, and their side is always right. Not once will you see both sides seek common ground, and work from there to find, and fix what is wrong. Then as I have said more times than I can count, the Word, (i.e. Bible) has painted a grim pic of what is coming down the road for the world. Maybe one day I can get you my email address, and we can talk this and other topics. Seeing both sides, and truly seeking to understand the other side on any topic, is the only way we will ever find true, and lasting change. That doesn't mean you must see it my way, or I yours. It simply means that we seek common ground, and from there, we seek answers. Though I don't understand why anyone that doesn't live in the USA can say they have any idea just how ingrained this topic is in our nation, or what it means to us, it doesn't mean they can't hold ideas that both sides can live with.
So once more my friend, I am sorry for my part in this. Not for what I said, though I may have found a better way to say it. Nor am I ever going to say I am sorry for my stand on it. Weather or not I own any guns, has nothing to do with it. I am not gay, yet I am willing to stand up if I see a gay person being beat down, be it with words or action.

radiojerry

Mazy - Through the courtesy of Youtube, I have been all over Canada. Ridden the rails from Halifax to Vancouver and to Prince Rupert and Churchill. Been up the Dempster HIghway a few times and traveled the Alaska Highway and been through the wilderness of Labrador. Have ridden all the Canadian ferries. All thanks to Youtube. The common thread in all these videos has to do with all the kind remarks the Youtubers have to say about the friendliness and courtesy of the Canadian people. Thought you might like to know that.
Jerry

Lyricist

So I take it we're not saying Grace before our champagne dinner? That's cool! As long as no one spits on my food or chases me out the restaurant, I'll be happy :-)

nanapuzzler

Dear Mazy, I have never seen your name before on jigidi, I guess because I always do medium size puzzles. As an American, let me apologize for all the rude, hateful ones. I love Canada and all the Canadians I have met have been lovely people. Don't let the hate get you down and please don't give up on jigidi. I tell my students that bullies are trying to get you down, make you sad or mad and get you in trouble for retaliating. DON"T let them win!! Smile and ignore them because then THEY LOSE!! If we had the money, my grandson and I would have moved there 3 years ago.
You are right, a culture of respect and manners doesn't have to be religion based. Some form of the Golden Rule has existed for thousands of years - even before organized religions. It was the only way tribes, clans' groups of people could survive and have any stability. Everyone helped each other.
Congratulations on your windfall! Hugs from a grandma in America.

Lyricist

Okay, I just popped the champagne cork. So where are you taking us all to dinner?

Mazy

And I should add, I just got a cheque for several thousand dollars in the mail that I didn't even know was coming. Karma! Woohoo!

Mazy

thanks, Tom. I really appreciate that, what high praise.

If anyone wants to see the latest, here you go. Trust me, this is the tip of the iceberg - the knives came out, collectively and much more sharply, some time ago. I know for a fact that at least 2 of the 'ignorant b______s' have been reprimanded for going after me in the past, and not because I blew the whistle on them - some other person unknown to me did.

https://www.jigidi.com/jigsaw-puzzle/A7N0P1HX/Windows

egdoht

mazy..your extended remarks are the most cogent and the most heartfelt that I've seen on jigidi.. my advice is don't let the ignorant b______s get you down... these are unimportant people who lack love..they seek to fill their unthinking lives by making others as miserable as they are...you and I and most other people are good helpful sharing human beings...stand up to those that aren't.... tom

julie88

Take a deep breath, Mazy. I for one think you're just fine. Julie

Mazy

Well, Ly, those rules are found in every religious doctrine, and for good reason - they guidelines that any conscionable person can agree with. Here in Canada we'll never see religious content in state funded schools - I hope - but a culture of respect doesn't need to be based on religion.

nana, you make a good point about the Americas being younger countries and cultures than those of Europe or Asia. But our gun laws are much, much stricter. We still have horrifying events - one of my closest friends was a student at Montréal's École Polytechnique engineering school back in 1989, when a man armed with an automatic weapon and a grudge against women opened fire in the classroom next to hers and killed 14 women, injured 14 more, 10 of whom were women. So we have our own horrible stories, just far, far fewer of them.

In the last couple weeks I have been variously accused of hating the USA and Americans, and bragging about how much better Canada is than the US. Mostly it has been the sort of baiting that has been targeted at me personally by two individuals (both Americans) who delight in trolling me here on Jigidi, and indeed inspired my post of this puzzle today.

I don't have those superior or hateful feelings, I feel pain and sorry that the US is in such pain and turmoil. The facts are, our countries are roughly the same age - but we've progressed in very different ways.

One of the most telling is the difference in tenor between the "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence, and the “peace, order and good government” found in the Canadian Constitution Act. One is all about the individual's rights, the other is about the greater good of the society.

In Canada no one has the 'right to bear arms' - here it is more about the responsibility. A mentality far closer to that of the UK than to the States.

People lampoon us for being too polite - that we say 'sorry' too much, for example. Personally I don't think that's something we should feel foolish about. But it does reflect our national culture of being considerate of one another rather than just demanding our rights to do this or that (there've been a few jabs about 'rights' by these haters, too).

I've been feeling so consistently under attack, where my character is smeared with comments stating that I am rude, I call people names, I don't respect others' opinions, and so on, and it's got to the point where I have been seriously considering giving up on Jigidi altogether. My life is not such a la di dah bed of roses that I need to put myself in a position where I am daily bullied by people who don't even know me. I truly cringe at conflict and somehow I seem to have become some sort of lightning rod for the hatred of a small, but very active and loud group of people here, who believe it is their right to say whatever they like about me, in hurtful and cruelly personal terms. And our mutual friends don't want to get involved so I feel hurt by that, too.

So, like I said, I really appreciate your comments, everyone. I really needed that today, because today, I really have had enough of it all.

Lyricist

How about bringing prayer back to schools? Displaying the ten commandments? Thou shalt not kill is one we can all sign on to, I imagine. Emphasizing the sacredness of human life?

nanapuzzler

As a 72 year old American, I also worry about the culture of hate ( 1 of the reasons I love jigidi is that the people here are so friendly and loving). Unfortunately, the internet allows us to spread love or hate. Many Americans live in fear of our government (which may be why so many want to have guns). Greed and power has blinded many! Our government has not been around for thousands of years like those of Europe, so we are kind of like Kindergartners on the world stage and our President acts like a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum. Also, if humans fear for their survival, they tend to make irrational decisions and see danger around every corner. I am a retired Elementary schoolteacher and the world of today is light-years different than in 1950. We have always had evil, but now it can be spread faster and farther. All we can do is NOT spread the hate or react to (hate) the haters and to spread LOVE instead. Thank you Mazy :))**

Mazy

thanks guys, your comments are very timely for today :)

... sigh! what a challenge to remove fear from our hearts and speak truth to power!.. but it can be done. Thank you Mazy!

Opportunistically offended? Yowza Mazy - spot-on and well-said! I'm using that one! Puzzljac - You probably can appreciate how often I am now hearing it said that "I'm glad I'm not young and have to live in this world for too much longer" I fear for my kids. Such a beautiful world and we're trashing it. The original issue (culture of hate) and the disregard for our fellow world-citizens and nature and the planet is such a worry - I hope the next generations are up to the challenge - there is still a lot of good ones out there! =(

puzzeljac

♥♥♥

Mazy

@puzzeljac Ank that's great news, I am so glad to hear it - you had us worried there. Lucky you and Bella! waaf waaf woof to her from me :)

Mazy

RR, Jerry, it IS difficult for the rest of us to understand. I haven't seen any of the other debates here that you speak of, RR, and I'd rather not go into it here.

I'd hope though that you guys will think about the fact that the rest of the world wants you to be and feel safer - we want that for all of us. There's nothing wrong with realising that there are other ways to live in the world, we can all learn from and benefit from having an open mind about how we might better improve our own countries by considering changes in our cultures that move us forward.

The abolishment of slavery was a pretty triggery (sorry, NOT trying to pun for once) topic a hundred and fifty years ago in the US, and now most of the world is on board with the idea that that needed a change.

So, if the rest of the world is suggesting it's worthwhile to be open to the possibility of giving up something for a greater good, it might be something to consider.

Just something to think on....

Mazy

@Mette - posted before I heard from you.

puzzeljac

Back in balance, Mazy, but with medication. Hugs ♥♥♥

Rainrider1214

As much of this as I have seen the last week, on this sight, I am really thinking it may be time to leave. In all truth, a debate on the rights of the American should remain with us. just as this sight MUST remain free of such.

Mazy

OK, OK, boys, settle down (I leave the room for two minutes and this happens).

I like most non-Americans will agree with Tom about guns. He's correct about the stats. They are pretty telling.

I agree with Jerry, but it IS harder to kill people with an airplane if getting one's hands on an airplane is more highly regulated.

Americans have their right to guns (which seems like a crazy right to most non-americans) written into the very foundation and fabric (awful mixed metaphor, sorry) of their country, so it's hard for outsiders to relate.

I'm with RR as to look to the cause - but you might take away all the children' lighters while you figure out why the garbage cans in the boys' washrooms are being set alight.

I posted this about internet trollery - not to drum up a gun debate, which, respectfully, I ask you to drop. I don't want guns on my page.

(Alright, that's it! Here - give me that! Hey! cut it out! don't - Enough! stop hitting your brother!)

egdoht

uh.. are your gun rights more important than peoples' lives?..... tom

Rainrider1214

Mazy I am sorry that so simple a conversation was taken to this point. However, I am not one to sit back when the rights of over a million people are being pushed a side like yesterdays trash. I do my best to remain respectful, yet as you can see that simple no got under my skin. That is why I must say I am sorry, and I will not let it happen again.

egdoht

do you guys read the gun death stats from other countries?...... tom

radiojerry

When a suicidal pilot slams an airliner into the side of a mountain, killing over a hundred, do you blame the airplane? Think about it.

Rainrider1214

As I will not let myself be drawn into a debate with what looks like hate bate. My last comment on this is so simple. You would rather over look the TRUTH, and cause of this plague that has hit the USA, So you say a gun killed some one. Sad ever so sad.

egdoht

no.

Rainrider1214

People kill, not guns. There are also more people killed in car accentuates every year than with guns. Would our time not be better spent looking at the cause, and not the tool used?

egdoht

malicious words don't kill... guns do... tom

Mazy

I could not agree more.

Rainrider1214

If haters used just 1/2 the energy they expel in their quest for a reason to cry, on any thing that can help someone besides them self. Just think what a great place planet earth would be.

Mazy

asshat on, Ly, asshat away. If that blowhard co-worker of yours is around, manglinglanguage, asshat the living hell out of her. As a public service.

(You now have a new favourite word, don't you!!)

Lyricist

Lol! Gotta run to work, but I'll come back. The "you" is a cultural observation. "We" fall in with the voices that have been clamoring for decades, but do "we" hear the voice crying in the wilderness? This probably is asshattery, but I'm liking the sound of it. :-)

Mazy

LOL, a tip of the...!!

But what do you mean you think I don't know them when I see them?

:(. I understand, Ank. It's frightening what is happening politically with regards right wing thinking in Europe and N America. I intended to have children, but I'm kind of glad I don't. I'd fear for their futures... I'm still in my 40's and fear for MY future!!

How's the sodium these days? all back to balance?

Lyricist

It's a generalized observation, Mazy. An impersonal you, a tip of the asshat, if you will.

puzzeljac

We're not only losing the internet but much more. Such a pity. Sometimes I'm happy that I'm not young anymore.

Mazy

Hi, Ly!

Please elaborate. I know them when I finally, eventually, at last see them - or I thought I did? Tell me where I am going wrong. Life is too short to waste it on a bunch of asshattery!

Lyricist

Be brave, stand up to the schoolyard bullies, don't accept the names they throw at you. But do you really know the bullies when you see them? I'm thinking no.

Mazy

I feel your pain. I remember thinking that in autumn, 2016, about your country, too :(

The knee-jerk reactionary mentality of people is getting worse.

The people who choose to be intentionally ignorant and opportunistically offended.

Who don't hear what is actually being said, and instead somehow hear things that make them feel they have the right to make personal attacks.

https://www.jigidi.com/jigsaw-puzzle/A7N0P1HX/Windows

julie88

I don't support hate either. But I wish I could stop the downward spiral this country of mine is in.

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