More years ago than I care to remember I used to drink in an English country pub & play darts with a then member of the red arrows - he always drank pints of snake bite (Guinness & cider!)
Thanks Izzy I used to watch the Vulcans take off when I worked at RAF Conningsbe. They were like huge Bats taking off and would sort of slowly move into the sky, then wow they excellerated and were gone.
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